1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,000 On this edition of CYTING. 2 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:16,000 In March of 1993, police and military personnel all over England saw a huge UFO cruising silently at low altitude. 3 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:19,000 It's very difficult to talk about these things openly. 4 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:24,000 It was enough to convince this official from the Ministry of Defence that something had to be done. 5 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:30,000 This whole UFO sighting is a matter of extreme defence significance. 6 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:36,000 Those who committed atrocities against Native Americans at this Indian school took their secrets to the grave. 7 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:37,000 Or so they thought. 8 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:42,000 She's absolutely correct. I feel for her. But I cannot allow that to be aired. 9 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:46,000 What mysteries lurk beneath the surface of this peaceful mountain lake? 10 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:50,000 I saw it. And it's a very big animal. 11 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:55,000 And find out what lies ahead in our exploration of the Red Planet. 12 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:27,000 Welcome to CYTING. I'm Tim White. 13 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:35,000 On a past edition of CYTING we introduced you to Nick Pope, the British Defence Ministry's former point man for UFO investigations. 14 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:43,000 When I first interviewed Pope last year, he told me that he was a non-believer until one extraordinary UFO report changed his mind completely. 15 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:49,000 It's a case little known outside of England, but one that has the power to turn skeptics into true believers. 16 00:01:51,000 --> 00:02:06,000 Nick Pope has been transferred away from the UFO desk at the Ministry of Defence, but his book, Open Skies, Closed Minds, has him once again at the centre of Britain's UFO debate. 17 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:12,000 It's an unlikely position for a man who started out as a died-in-the-wool skeptic. 18 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:18,000 When I started the UFO job at the Ministry of Defence, I really didn't know what I was letting myself in for. 19 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:23,000 I came in as a skeptic and with very little knowledge of what it was all about. 20 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:28,000 Then one startling report, and Nick Pope was never the same again. 21 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:38,000 I'd been doing the UFO job for a year or so when a case came along which really changed my perception on the whole UFO mystery. 22 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:49,000 It occurred on the 30th and 31st of March, 1993, and it was without doubt one of the most major waves of sightings that Britain had ever seen. 23 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:59,000 At 1.05 am, March 31st, 1993, the report began, radar did not detect a massive UFO in British airspace. 24 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:04,000 There were military and police eye witnesses and impeccable documentation. 25 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:08,000 There were dozens and dozens of witnesses all over the country. 26 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:16,000 Many of them, because this was late at night, were police officers on night patrol and military personnel on guard duty. 27 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:26,000 UFO investigator Doug Cooper was awakened at 2.20 that morning by a shaken Cornwall police sergeant who described what he and others had just seen. 28 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:41,000 The object was black and it appeared to be shaped either something like a wedge shape or a delta wing shape or indeed like a catamaran, a twin hulled craft. 29 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:50,000 There were lights on this craft which appeared to be at either end of it, which they described as about 500 feet apart. 30 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:57,000 At the Ministry of Defense, Nick Pope was being inundated with questions about the UFO's origins. 31 00:03:57,000 --> 00:04:06,000 I launched a full inquiry into this. I made a series of very detailed checks to try and find a prosaic explanation for this. 32 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:19,000 I checked aircraft movements, satellite tracks, airships, weather balloons, but after an extremely detailed inquiry that took me several weeks, I drew a complete blank. 33 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:22,000 This was a genuine unknown. 34 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:28,000 Pope and Cooper persevered, in large part because of the sheer number of reliable eyewitnesses. 35 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:37,000 Pope poured over the reports of Devon Patrol officers Barry Mitchell and Gus Cotty, who observed the UFO near the Bristol Channel. 36 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:48,000 Gus and I both sort of looked at each other and Gus stopped the car and we got out. 37 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:59,000 Certainly three lights that we saw, I certainly found the opinion that they were fixed to the same object. 38 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:09,000 I couldn't see any object, travelling at the same speed and had it been a conventional sized aircraft, it would have been a deafening noise. 39 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:12,000 It was probably in our view for about 30 seconds. 40 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:21,000 It was really really strange. Those are the three lights in the position and that's our vehicle. 41 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:26,000 You just don't know what to say, do you? It's the first time you come across something like that. 42 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:30,000 Their notes and drawings only came out after they discovered they were not alone. 43 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:36,000 It's very difficult to come out of the closet, so to speak, and talk about these things openly. 44 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:45,000 Barry and I decided not to say anything initially, but then another officer in Cornwall came up over the radio and said that he had seen these lights. 45 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:49,000 Once they had broken the ice, we then said, we've seen them as well. 46 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:55,000 Then other officers came across the radio as well to say that they'd seen the lights as well. 47 00:05:55,000 --> 00:06:01,000 In fact, police all over Southern England were calling dispatch with UFO sightings of their own. 48 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:09,000 The other officers who saw these lights, albeit some of those officers were in excess of 60 or 70 miles away from where we were, 49 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:13,000 the timing of their sighting was exactly the same as the timing of our sighting, 50 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:19,000 which putting the whole thing together makes it even further a bigger mystery. 51 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:27,000 Police officers are reliable and they're not given to flights of fancy as far as we're concerned. 52 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:31,000 They report in something which they're seeing, which they don't understand. 53 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:36,000 This is basically what we're talking about. It's an object which they can't identify with. 54 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:40,000 And I suppose to some extent, I mean, rather alarm them. 55 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:46,000 At M.O.D., Pope read secret Air Force documents and discovered that the RAF was just as baffled as he. 56 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:55,000 He realized that something had happened and he seems to have gone out of his way to be as helpful as he possibly could. 57 00:06:55,000 --> 00:07:02,000 But I've sent him a letter with the map on it, of course. We've never had this before from anybody in that position. 58 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:09,000 Not only did Pope send a map showing when and how the UFO had traveled, he also included where? 59 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:14,000 A complete list of sighting's locations, including several military installations, 60 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:20,000 something only the Defence Ministry knew. Pope did it because he felt the UFO posed a serious threat. 61 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:25,000 Something had flown into England and military radar didn't catch it. 62 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:31,000 I ordered the radar tapes to be impounded and sent to me in my office. 63 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:38,000 I then sat down, viewed them, and then brought in an air defence expert to have another look. 64 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:42,000 We were clear that there was nothing on the tape. This was very worrying. 65 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:52,000 We'd got reports from military personnel of a sizeable craft operating very low over two of our military bases. 66 00:07:52,000 --> 00:08:00,000 And there was nothing on radar, so we never had any warning, and we never even got our air defence aircraft into the air. 67 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:08,000 The MOD are faced with a situation where they have an object flying across our counties, and they have no way to detect in it. 68 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:12,000 Whether they're alien, alien craft or otherwise, is another matter. 69 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:20,000 But the fact is that an unknown craft crossed right across these counties, and the REF do not appear to be put up on their radar. 70 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:27,000 If a structured craft of unknown origin has evaded detection by the Royal Air Force, the implications are global. 71 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:31,000 The world's air defence systems cannot respond. What will? 72 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:40,000 That's got to be extremely worrying, and that's got to mean that this whole UFO sighting is a matter of extreme defence significance. 73 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:48,000 The party line, the Ministry of Defence Standard View, is that UFOs are of no defence significance. 74 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:54,000 Now, after this incident, I didn't have much time for that standard line. 75 00:08:54,000 --> 00:09:02,000 I felt it simply didn't stand up to the facts, and it was from this point that my views on the whole UFO phenomenon began to change. 76 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:16,000 And I began to realise that it wasn't just lights in the sky. It couldn't be explained, and there may well be some extra-terrestrial explanation to a hard core of these UFO sightings. 77 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:26,000 We ask the Ministry of Defence for comment on this report. The MOD's official response states that while they remain open-minded about the possible existence of flying saucers, they, quote, 78 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:32,000 remain unaware of any evidence which proves that these phenomena exist, unquote. 79 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:38,000 Next, why Moonwalker Edgar Mitchell turned to the paranormal for answers about our world. 80 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:43,000 That mind is interactive with nature. It's a part of nature. It's inseparable. 81 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:53,000 Recently, sightings brought you my extended interview with Apollo 14 astronaut Edgar Mitchell. 82 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:58,000 We talked about Mitchell's remarkable spiritual transformation after his flight to the Moon. 83 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:08,000 And in this, the second part of that report, we continue our conversation with Ed Mitchell and learn that in many ways he is still very much an explorer. 84 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:19,000 My whole purpose in my life turns out is that of an explorer to discover. 85 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:29,000 This is Edgar Mitchell, the cosmic explorer, one of only 12 men to stand on the Moon and look back on Earth as a true extraterrestrial. 86 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:34,000 When Apollo 14 returned to Earth, Edgar Mitchell was a different man. 87 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:41,000 A lifelong curiosity about the power of the mind and humankind's purpose in the cosmos became an obsession. 88 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:46,000 And from that day to this, Mitchell has been a seeker of new truths. 89 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:53,000 He's a different kind of explorer now, an astronaut who has seen the big picture and documents his journey to understand it. 90 00:10:53,000 --> 00:11:00,000 How should people understand what happened to you on the way back, your epiphany? 91 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:06,000 Were you struck on the road to Damascus or was it a process that you went through? 92 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:13,000 Everybody has been through moments of great discovery in their own life one way or another, something that's a-ha-ha, wow, isn't that neat? 93 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:19,000 This was just that same experience multiplied a few times over. 94 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:27,000 Most people don't spend 25 years working to find out what that moment of discovery meant, and you have, why? 95 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:33,000 There was an impulse within me to find out what all of this meant. This experience was so curious. 96 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:40,000 And I think being a pretty good scientist and a pretty good explorer, I said, this doesn't fit my answers. 97 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:43,000 Let's go find out why my answers are wrong. 98 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:48,000 So, I mean, it's taken 25 years to come to a new answer. 99 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:55,000 It began with Mitchell's sense that there must be a universal connection between all things. 100 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:59,000 Neither science nor religion had all the answers he felt. 101 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:06,000 So, for the past 20 years, questions formulated in outer space have been explored at the Institute of Noetic Sciences, 102 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:11,000 founded by Mitchell and currently under the direction of Winston Franklin. 103 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:16,000 One of the really fascinating things about the Institute is that in that moment in the spaceship, 104 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:21,000 Edgar Mitchell got a very complete picture of what the Institute should be. 105 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:28,000 In other words, he realized that it was to be an integration of science and spirituality. 106 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:37,000 The old model says the mind doesn't matter, that only the laws of nature, which are immutable, physics matter. 107 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:45,000 That's it. Your proposition is that not only does the mind matter, it is inseparable from the laws of physics. 108 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:51,000 The bottom line today is that mind is interactive with nature. It's a part of nature. It's inseparable. 109 00:12:51,000 --> 00:13:01,000 The universe we're in is a self-organizing, trial-and-error, learning, intelligent, interactive universe. 110 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:05,000 And that's quite a different model than we had 20 years ago. 111 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:13,000 Much of this new reality is based on personal experiences which have led Mitchell to respect the potential of mind over matter. 112 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:18,000 He calls it intentionality, the power of the mind to deliberately change reality. 113 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:25,000 When Edgar Mitchell's mother developed glaucoma and became blind without her glasses, doctors said there was little they could do, 114 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:29,000 so Mitchell brought his mother to a Tibetan healer. 115 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:37,000 I didn't know whether it was real or not real, but he was oppressive and mother was having a problem, so my devious little mind said get them together. 116 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:41,000 The results of the 20-minute healing session were not immediately apparent. 117 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:49,000 Six o'clock the next morning, my mother came rushing into my room, waked me up out of sleep, had her Bible in one hand, her glasses in the other, 118 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:54,000 proceeded to read her scripture. She was a very religious woman and said, 119 00:13:54,000 --> 00:14:02,000 Praise the Lord, I can see, I can see, son, I can see. Then dropped her glasses on the floor, ground them under her foot, 120 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:06,000 and said again, Praise the Lord, I can see. 121 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:12,000 Mitchell was impressed by the effect of the healing. Then a week later something even more startling happened. 122 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:18,000 His mother asked if the healer was a Christian and was devastated when Mitchell told her that he was a Buddhist. 123 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:22,000 The next day she went back to get her glasses. She couldn't see. 124 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:28,000 So the belief system, the mind really had a lot to do with that. 125 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:35,000 Apollo 13 nearly suffered a tragedy of untold portion. They almost didn't make it back. 126 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:42,000 Whole crew almost lost in space. The entire earth praying that something works out in a particular way, could that have an effect on their return? 127 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:52,000 I certainly think so. From everything we've learned, the non-local desires, the intentions, the wishes of that many people, absolutely. 128 00:14:52,000 --> 00:15:05,000 We watch the intentions, the kindly healing, loving intentions of people have an effect on traumatized, ill people, time after time after time. 129 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:14,000 Through published studies, the Institute of Noetic Sciences has helped mainstream alternative techniques like biofeedback and acupuncture. 130 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:20,000 Now an ambitious project is underway to change the way our brains perceive the world. 131 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:27,000 And that global mind change is a change in worldview of everybody on the planet. 132 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:44,000 So that principally we see our interconnectedness. We realize that we are part of something much bigger, that we're connected with all life, that it is a purposeful existence, and that there is meaning. 133 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:50,000 Edgar Mitchell's explorations may have turned inward. A pursuit he highly recommends. 134 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:57,000 But the former astronaut still encourages his son, and kids everywhere, to push back the frontiers of space. 135 00:15:57,000 --> 00:16:04,000 And Mitchell has also drawn some startling conclusions about Earth's place in the metagalactic community. 136 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:14,000 If there were extraterrestrial life keeping an eye on what's going on on Earth, what would the intention of life from elsewhere be toward us? 137 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:20,000 Well, we can only speculate on that, but we can extend our own experience since we're now a space-faring civilization. 138 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:24,000 We are stewards of this planet. We need to be responsible for it. 139 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:32,000 And perhaps our visitors, if they are real, are looking at us and saying, well, which way are these guys going to go? 140 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:42,000 Are they going to be so dumbheaded and unconscious that their behavior destroys the planet? 141 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:54,000 Or are they going to wake up, become conscious, become planetary citizens, become cosmic citizens, and make this a cosmic civilization and join the rest of the community? 142 00:16:54,000 --> 00:17:01,000 Edgar Mitchell is not the only aponno astronaut to walk a spiritual path after his walk on the moon. 143 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:07,000 Alan Bean, the fourth man to walk on the moon, has become a painter, creating dreamy galactic scenes. 144 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:15,000 James Irwin, who walked on the moon in 1971, became a minister after his flight and is a religious explorer who searched for traces of Noah's Ark. 145 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:21,000 And Charles Duke, who followed Irwin to the moon, is now a Christian missionary. 146 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:27,000 Next, what's behind a recent rash of mutant frogs? 147 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:31,000 Later, another lake monster rears its ugly head. 148 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:42,000 Here are some of the stories Sightings is following in the news. 149 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:47,000 Until recently, dedicated ufologists needed to make a trip to the National Archives in Washington 150 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:53,000 or file copious freedom of information requests to get any information at all about government knowledge of UFOs. 151 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:57,000 That is all about to change with the click of a mouse. 152 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:11,000 On the World Wide Web, the Periscope is giving users a virtual almanac of Up to the Minute UFO reports. 153 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:19,000 From black helicopters to Area 51, this website is dedicated to providing information on UFOs, conspiracies, 154 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:22,000 cryptic creatures, and cutting-edge science. 155 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:28,000 Click on one of four major icons and find out the latest paranormal facts and figures from around the world. 156 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:32,000 The Matrix link is devoted to conspiracies and cover-ups. 157 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:37,000 Nebula is a continuing update on UFO sightings and alien encounters. 158 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:43,000 Enigma catalogs paranormal phenomena, and dossier has declassified government documents. 159 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:50,000 Take an alien abduction survey, visit the image gallery, or click on the Freedom of Information Act Help Center. 160 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:58,000 From there, you can FOIA almost any government agency from the National Security Council to the White House. 161 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:05,000 Periscope has up-to-date links, data, and images available at www.periscope.com. 162 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:13,000 In Henderson, Minnesota, children have discovered what may be the latest installment of Gaia's Revenge. 163 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:17,000 I looked at them and then there's no legs or arms. 164 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:22,000 In this protected wetland, middle school students have made a shocking discovery. 165 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:27,000 Over 50% of the frogs here suffer from bizarre mutations. 166 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:32,000 Scientists called in to help have documented abnormalities in the area of the area. 167 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:40,000 Scientists called in to help have documented abnormalities ranging from extra limbs, missing legs, to eyes in the throat. 168 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:46,000 Amphibian biologist Dr. Robert McKinnell feels that this may be a warning to human beings. 169 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:57,000 This would suggest that something was affecting their DNA. It could be due to parasites. We don't know the answers to that, but it could also be due to a chemical. We do not know. 170 00:19:57,000 --> 00:20:05,000 Biologists recognize these frogs as an indicator species because they process toxins in much the same way humans do. 171 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:13,000 What happens to frogs might happen similarly to humans. Some people have said the frog is like a canary in a mine. 172 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:18,000 If frogs are dying in our environment, where do we go? 173 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:29,000 The Minnesota Pollution Control Agency and environmentalists fear that there could be a link between pollution, global warming, toxins, and mutant frogs. 174 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:36,000 Beware, some scientists warn, because deformities may be only the first step toward global mutation. 175 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:43,000 Let me tell you that their detoxification mechanism is failing the frogs. 176 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:55,000 And since the frog detoxification mechanism is very similar to ours, then our protective mechanism may similarly fail. 177 00:20:56,000 --> 00:21:02,000 So far, no one knows exactly why newborn frogs are turning into these freaks of nature. 178 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:05,000 But they are, and not just here. 179 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:11,000 Biologists have discovered similar amphibian deformities in more than 150 locations around the world. 180 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:17,000 And time may be running out. After the frogs, what will be next? 181 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:27,000 We'll have more stories in the news next time. Now, here's what's coming up as sightings continues. 182 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:31,000 I really feel bad for you guys, because there's so much injustice here. 183 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:36,000 A psychic experiences the horror of long-forgotten abuse at an abandoned school for Indians. 184 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:42,000 Who's not here? Do I save us? You know, and then you have to run. 185 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:54,000 Most Native American cultures do not fear death, because they believe the spirit never dies. 186 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:59,000 After the body's gone, the life force lives on. It either crosses over to another plane of existence, 187 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:03,000 or it remains on earth to clear up any unfinished business. 188 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:12,000 Apparently, there is much to clear up at one historic site in Nevada, where witnesses say many restless spirits are trying to make contact. 189 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:22,000 This is where the spirits walk, people say. Here, among the abandoned stone buildings at the old Stuart Indian School, just outside Carson City, Nevada. 190 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:27,000 Tribes people in Stuart have preserved a portion of the site as a museum and cultural resource center, 191 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:31,000 but most of the campus remains the same as it did in 1930. 192 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:37,000 There are secrets to the fact that the site is a museum, and the museum is a cultural resource center. 193 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:41,000 But most of the campus remains the same as it did in 1930. 194 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:48,000 There are secrets behind these boarded windows, and the belief that schoolchildren, long dead, are still here. 195 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:57,000 I have seen two children that are playing on the grass, but as I keep walking, I tend to back to look at them, they're no longer there. 196 00:22:57,000 --> 00:23:05,000 Mike Parris is a member of the Miwok tribe. He speaks for many people who have grown up in this area and have watched the spirit children. 197 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:12,000 They seem to be playing with each other, rolling around with each other, and when you take a second look, they're no longer there. They have gone. 198 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:17,000 The ephemeral scenes are described as poignant, spiritual, never frightening. 199 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:21,000 But there's a different feeling in the basement of the old administration building. 200 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:28,000 Here, the spirit of an older white male is said to defend his otherworldly territory with an iron fist. 201 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:34,000 He is called the superintendent because he is thought to be the spirit of a ruthless school official. 202 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:38,000 I can't say what it is, but there's definitely something in the basement. 203 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:44,000 Bo Sargent is a former cultural center administrator. Some of his ancestors attended the school. 204 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:51,000 You get a really weird feeling as you're going down the stairs, and there was a really bad odor underneath the stairs. 205 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:58,000 I felt scared. My whole body was just nothing but goosebumps, and my hair was standing, and like that odor. 206 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:05,000 Oh, that was the odor that I smelled down there. It seemed to stay right inside my nose. 207 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:17,000 I turned around, and within a blink of an eye, there was a tall gentleman that I believe is the superintendent that lived here, 208 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:25,000 walked through me, my left shoulder. He was tall, thin, dark clothes. I think he was wearing glasses, 209 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:31,000 and he had just happened very fast. I've heard stories that he stands in front of the fireplace, 210 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:38,000 and now with a blanket wrapped around him and he shivers, he's cold, trying to get warm. 211 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:43,000 There's a lot of emotion attached to this place due to what happened when the school first opened, 212 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:49,000 and you speak with the elders now who come into the museum, and they have this fear of coming back to this school 213 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:54,000 of what went on during that time when there were little kids coming here. 214 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:59,000 I am certain that energy and turmoil is energy and turmoil. It's just that. 215 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:08,000 And I think that what a lot of these people have seen are the remains of that energy, unresolved conflict, 216 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:16,000 unsolved murders, unsolved questions, unpunished perpetrators of horrible deeds. 217 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:21,000 Sightings was granted permission to bring psychic investigator Chori and Defray to the old school 218 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:25,000 to see if she could ease the pain of the spirits here. 219 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:30,000 I believe that when I do this work, I allow the universal energies to flow through me 220 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:34,000 to give me all the information that's necessary to help any situation. 221 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:37,000 But she was not prepared for the secrets revealed to her. 222 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:42,000 I was grief-stricken. I was caught up in an emotional state for quite a while, 223 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:45,000 but even when I left the land, I was at the point of tears. 224 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:50,000 Chori and's work is usually a matter of fact. Recording psychic impressions on tape, 225 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:56,000 then taking copious notes, but this case reached deep into Chori and's being. 226 00:25:56,000 --> 00:26:01,000 And when she met Susie Lisa, Chori and could no longer keep her business-like demeanor. 227 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:06,000 Some of my staff are bothered by the superintendent and if there's some way to make it so, 228 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,000 he doesn't bother my staff. 229 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:14,000 What it appears to be is that he is not who you think he is. 230 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:20,000 He is not one man. He is an accumulation of energies that have come through him, 231 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:23,000 him being like a channel, okay? 232 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:28,000 And all this negativity and everything else just seemed to well up in him. 233 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:33,000 I don't know if there's been slaughter on this property. I don't know what's going on here. 234 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:38,000 But the loss is overwhelming. I believe that the government has hit stuff to do here or something. 235 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:41,000 I don't know if this land has changed hands or whatever, 236 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:48,000 but what was once yours will be yours again like that. Okay? Does that make sense to you? 237 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,000 Completely. 238 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:53,000 A lot of people died here. Just unbelievable. 239 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:57,000 A lot of people also somewhere were cut down in their prime. 240 00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:01,000 Yes, these are the children you're talking about. 241 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:07,000 I really feel bad for you guys because there's so much injustice here. 242 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:12,000 Then, Jorianne began to give specific information about what happened to the children. 243 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:16,000 You're correct, but I cannot put this on camera. We can't use this. 244 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:22,000 She's absolutely correct. I feel for her, but I cannot allow that to be aired. 245 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:26,000 I feel terrible that she did hit that, but there's no way you can use that. 246 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:28,000 We are aware of what's there. 247 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:33,000 Sightings agreed to respect the wishes of the cultural center and not air Jorianne's revelations. 248 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:37,000 She had hit on certain truths that many people hold sacred, 249 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:43,000 and to divulge them would mean interfering with ongoing healing practices now being conducted. 250 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:48,000 What can be told is the school's tragic place in Native American history. 251 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:53,000 The Stuart School was established after the infamous slaughter at Wounded Knee in 1890. 252 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:58,000 It was built by the U.S. government to address what was termed, quote, the Indian problem. 253 00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:03,000 Children here were acculturated, converted to Christianity, taught English, 254 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:08,000 and other subjects that U.S. officials promised would civilize the savages. 255 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:15,000 In the early times, from 1890 to about 1930, it was a roundup, a wholesale roundup, 256 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:22,000 much like you'd gather unbranded cattle, and some of the children were actually even brought here in cattle cars. 257 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:26,000 So the process was a mandatory roundup. 258 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:32,000 In that era, children who were taken to the Stuart School never went home again. 259 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:38,000 Children as young as two were forcibly taken from the family they would never see again. 260 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:44,000 Eventually, the school became a source of pride when tribes people began exerting their rights and influence. 261 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:50,000 So it is only now that survivors and ancestors are discovering the depth of brutality in the early years 262 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:55,000 when they claim children were not students but POWs. 263 00:28:55,000 --> 00:29:02,000 In spite of a lot of the activity that was ongoing here, there were children who either ran away 264 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:08,000 or who survived it or who helped other children live through it, and they lived long enough to tell us about it. 265 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:15,000 When Jorianne went into the superintendent's basement, she felt that this was ground zero for the activity. 266 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:22,000 Oh, I'm going to tell you right away. The sense that I get in here is like this, you know, don't come in here. 267 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:28,000 Alright, don't come into this room, okay? God help you if you should go in this room. 268 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:32,000 Okay, like something or somebody is going to get you. 269 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:35,000 It's like what happened down here. 270 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:46,000 The sense of just bad stuff, just bad stuff. 271 00:29:46,000 --> 00:30:01,000 The emotions coming up, the fear, the fear of wanting to run the fright, and then, you know, knowing that they're trapped. 272 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:11,000 Why aren't they here? You know, who's not here to like save us? You know, and then having to run, and no one is here. 273 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:19,000 Somebody on the other side holds the children's hands, okay? 274 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:32,000 There's like a school of the children of the dead, and they sit all by the water, waiting for you to come talk to them. 275 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:38,000 Does this make sense to you? Okay. You have to be their mom right now. 276 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,000 I understand. Okay. 277 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:49,000 As they parted, Jorian felt a sense of renewed peace, knowing that the caretakers of the old school will not only preserve this historic site, 278 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:54,000 but also that they will take care of children who still cry out from the other side. 279 00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:58,000 We honor the spirits of the children who are here. We love them. 280 00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:10,000 Witnesses who claim to have seen the spirit known as the superintendent report that he's always cold and is often seen by the fire trying to warm himself. 281 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:19,000 Jorian believes that this is his fate, that the spirit in the afterlife will forever feel the same torment the body caused in this life. 282 00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:26,000 Next, this picturesque mountain lake hides a frightening secret beneath its placid surface. 283 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:30,000 I couldn't believe it because the animal was so big. 284 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:44,000 You've heard their names on sightings before. Nessie, Champ, Ishii, Ogopogo, the stars of the lake monster debate, of course. 285 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:50,000 Well, now add a new name to the who's who of sinister serpents. Argentina's entry, now what he told. 286 00:31:51,000 --> 00:32:07,000 Some people think that the Nahuatlita seems like a dinosaur. And I think that's right because of the size of the animal. 287 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:13,000 With arms, like a whale. It was big. It was very big. 288 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:26,000 The prehistoric lake monster has been spotted here in Lake Nahuapi, high in the Andes Mountains of Argentina. And he's a dead ranger for the Loch Ness Monster. 289 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:33,000 There is always the possibility of finding something surprising. But the surprising things, logically, are rare. 290 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:41,000 Felipe Valvarde is a biologist who is part of an investigative team in search of the elusive Nahuatlito. 291 00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:49,000 Valvarde doubts that creature is either prehistoric or an undiscovered species. But he maintains an open mind. 292 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:55,000 Different phenomena have been seen, some of which can be explained. 293 00:32:55,000 --> 00:33:02,000 But there is testimony by others of having seen a neck and a head. And that is more difficult. 294 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:11,000 Eyewitnesses describe a swimming monster with a small head and long neck, identical to the aquatic dinosaur Plesiosaurus. 295 00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:16,000 But the Plesiosaurus were wiped off the face of the Earth millions of years ago. 296 00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:23,000 Finding a surviving colony now, says Dr. Jose Bonaparte, would be like encountering a T-Rex in your garden. 297 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:27,000 Well, Plesiosaurus was, because it is no more. 298 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:40,000 A Plesiosaurus was a rather big animal, maybe 5 to 10 meter long, that lived in the shallow seawaters, not far from the coast. 299 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:47,000 The problem is that the Plesiosaurus became extinct some 65 million years ago. 300 00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:52,000 Then it's impossible to find Plesiosaurus at present. 301 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:59,000 But scientific impossibility is little comfort to those who have encountered the creature like Tessie Campbell, who worked at a lakeside resort. 302 00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:07,000 My friend shouted because an animal appeared suddenly in the lake. 303 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:15,000 I couldn't believe it because the animal was so big and it had several harms. 304 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:21,000 I felt a little afraid because we were near the animal. 305 00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:23,000 Campbell's account is not the first. 306 00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:29,000 Her description matches monster sightings going as far back as the 1920s. 307 00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:32,000 Things have existed here since old times. 308 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:37,000 There has always been talk of that of huge animals that rose from the water. 309 00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:44,000 Historian Rodolfo Consolini is the curator of a local museum on the lakeshore spot where the first sighting occurred. 310 00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:51,000 The first written account came from an adventurer and ex-patriot named Martin Sheffield. 311 00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:57,000 These adventurers came from 1922 to 1938 and were in these lakes. 312 00:34:57,000 --> 00:35:03,000 And since they came there was always talk about marine monsters, things which rose from the water. 313 00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:12,000 This Sheffield was an adventurer and was attracted to these lakes due to the mystery of the things which one speaks about here. 314 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:15,000 Sheffield was on this side of the lake with a friend. 315 00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:19,000 He was surprised by some type of object that rose from the water. 316 00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:23,000 He was very scared. He gathered his things and left the area. 317 00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:27,000 He reported this to the director of the museum in Buenos Aires. 318 00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:32,000 They sent people to investigate but nothing was ever found. 319 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:36,000 The hunt for Navarito drew international attention for a while. 320 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:41,000 Eventually an impatient press moved on but the sightings continued to this day. 321 00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:48,000 The lake was like a mirror and we saw a mark that was forming and what called our attention to it was that there were no vessels causing it. 322 00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:54,000 Hector Eulisia laughed at monster stories until he had his own encounter. 323 00:35:54,000 --> 00:36:04,000 We were able to see first a bubbling water and later a physical form of very black color, very dark and at a pretty significant speed. 324 00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:09,000 First I thought it could have been something like a submarine but in these waters it is impossible. 325 00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:11,000 There are no vessels of that type. 326 00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:14,000 This is a home video shot from the air. 327 00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:20,000 The form of a strange creature swimming underwater is being broadcast here for the first time outside Argentina. 328 00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:24,000 Could this be Nessie's South American cousin? 329 00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:34,000 The truth is that when one sees documents or videos or photos taken of the animal at the lake, there is much conjecture. 330 00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:41,000 Sometimes one thinks that they are trick photos or videos which have been tampered with to attract tourism. 331 00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:45,000 But one cannot ignore the voice of the locals. 332 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:50,000 There are fishermen who have seen it, people who have seen it. 333 00:36:50,000 --> 00:37:00,000 I don't know whether it is a plesiasaur or whatever you may want to call it but there must be something and yes I have a hunch that it is so. 334 00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:07,000 But the scientific team on the lake say that they will remain unconvinced until an actual specimen is found. 335 00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:12,000 Until they have physical proof the monster doesn't exist. 336 00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:21,000 And why not? The truth is that nature is indeed very strange and very different things may be observed everywhere. 337 00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:40,000 Some people believe me but there are a lot of people who told me that I was inventing stories but now I saw it and it is a very big animal. 338 00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:46,000 Now, Elito is only the second lake monster to have been sighted south of the equator. 339 00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:58,000 The first monster was spotted nearby in Patagonia at the turn of the century and by the 1920s that monster was so popular that it inspired its own dance called the Plesiasaur Tango. 340 00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:03,000 Next, what we earthlings have in store for our planetary next door neighbor. 341 00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:08,000 When we go to Mars we are going there to open up a new world to humanity. 342 00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:18,000 If there is life on Mars, NASA has vowed to find it. 343 00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:32,000 With the launch of the Mars global surveyor last November and the Mars pathfinder in December, the US Space Agency has every expectation that we will soon know what or perhaps even who survives on the red planet. 344 00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:44,000 Why are we interested in Mars? Why are we interested in our neighbors? Why do boys fall in love with the girl next door? It's the planet next door. 345 00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:54,000 It's the only one we know of that might someday be made habitable for human colonists, for human life. 346 00:38:54,000 --> 00:39:09,000 Our romantic fascination with Mars and creatures that might dwell there began in the 19th century when an imaginative astronomer showed the world what that tiny red speck looked like up close and said there were canals there. 347 00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:21,000 When Shipper-Elli said I can see channels, there are lines on the surface, I think that was the beginning of the mass interest in Mars. Those canals were really the big kicker. 348 00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:32,000 Once Shipper-Elli said that there might be life on Mars, the stage was set for all-out Martian hysteria, culminating with the broadcast of War of the Worlds in 1938. 349 00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:38,000 The radio play was fiction. Thousands of people believed we were under Martian attack. 350 00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:45,000 That night was a disaster in the New York area because a lot of people thought, my gosh, this is really happening. 351 00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:54,000 And it was such a powerful impact that ever since then the story of the Martian invasion has become one of the basic American popular culture mythology stories. 352 00:39:54,000 --> 00:40:04,000 And now a new Martian invasion is underway. Earth meets Mars on its own turf when NASA's first camera-laden probe lands in 1997. 353 00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:07,000 And the mission after that is already on the drawing board. 354 00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:16,000 We're going to be trying to send a little rolling geologist to Mars. The rolling geologist is basically a rover that's capable of taking a pickaxe and breaking a rock. 355 00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:26,000 It might not be a pickaxe, but basically the same function to try and break open a rock. Since we're looking for life in the long run, we may send an instrument to see if there are organics in the rocks. 356 00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:37,000 But before the first remote-controlled robot can land on Mars, a NASA team led by mission architect Dr. Mark Adler must invent a whole new kind of technology. 357 00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:43,000 The kind of technologies that we're going to need to be able to do this mission are in large part nonexistent. 358 00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:52,000 We have to develop a lot of new technologies and we're just going to barrel ahead and take the risk and hope that we can do it and plan the missions to use those technologies. 359 00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:59,000 Even as Adler's work begins, others are already thinking about a manned mission before 2012. 360 00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:17,000 The current idea for sending people to Mars would be to send a factory to the Martian surface first, a robot factory that would suck in the very tenuous, very sparse Martian air into tanks and possibly pull some water out from the soil 361 00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:36,000 and combine these with chemicals brought from Earth to create a reservoir of air, water and rocket fuel, waiting for the astronauts to land on the surface and live using these materials and then use the rocket fuel to come home. 362 00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:45,000 Astronautical engineer and NASA consultant Dr. Robert Zubrin believes that the first humans on Mars will not be who you'd think. 363 00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:54,000 On initial missions to Mars, I recommend a crew of four. Four is the minimum number you can have that you can split the crew up into two groups and have nobody be alone. 364 00:41:54,000 --> 00:42:03,000 The most critical skill on a Mars mission is that of flight mechanic. The second most important person on the mission is the field scientist. 365 00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:16,000 You don't need someone whose primary training is that of pilot because the spacecraft can actually be piloted in an automatic fashion. We don't need a navigator, certainly we do interplanetary navigation without navigators on board. 366 00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:29,000 We certainly wouldn't want to have someone whose sole occupation is that of command, although someone will be in command. And we don't need a doctor because the entire crew will be trained in first aid. 367 00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:37,000 So in Star Trek terminology, what we'd bring is two Scotys and two Spocks, no Kirk's, McCoy's, Zulu's or Huru's need apply. 368 00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:45,000 According to Dr. Zubrin, in the case for Mars, humans will be homesteading on the red planet in the 21st century. 369 00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:54,000 Mars may appear to be bleak, but in fact there does exist on Mars every resource that is needed to support not just life, but a new branch of human civilization. 370 00:42:54,000 --> 00:43:02,000 Mars has water, it's frozen, but it's there. It's got carbon dioxide, it's got nitrogen, it's got sulfur and calcium and phosphorus and silicon and iron and titanium and aluminum. 371 00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:21,000 It's got everything you need to grow food, to make plastics, ceramics, glasses, metals, everything. And if you can go to Mars and develop the know-how that allows you to turn those elements into useful objects, you turn Mars into a habitable planet. 372 00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:32,000 What was once a hotly contested space race is now a global effort, and it may well be that it takes another planet to finally unite the people of Earth. 373 00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:43,000 When we go to Mars, we're going there to open up a new world to humanity. We're not going there to, you know, do flags and footprints like Apollo. 374 00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:52,000 We're going there, okay, to explore a world and pioneer a world and create the first seeds of a new branch of human civilization. 375 00:43:55,000 --> 00:44:05,000 Last November, the global surveyor and pathfinder were not alone in their race for Mars. Russia also launched an unmanned probe and Martian rover called Mars 96. 376 00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:14,000 That probe crashed, and now a $64 million spacecraft and perhaps the future of the Russian space program lie at the bottom of the Pacific Ocean. 377 00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:44,000 Until next time, remember, no mystery is closed to an open mind. For Sightings, I'm Tim White. 378 00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:51,000 Next on Sci-Fi, Dark Shadows. 379 00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:14,000 Crossing over with John Edward. Sunday through Thursday at 11. On Sci-Fi. 380 00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:37,000 .